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Resource calendar .... two different definitions 3 months 2 days ago #8255

  • Hazem Ibrahim
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Following the advise of MR. Cornelius I try to understand the ITTOs rather than to memorize them, but sometimes I find things which is beyond my understanding for instance this case.
on develop project team process, resource calendar is an input and the process data flow figure 9-10 page 273 shows that it comes from conduct procurements !!! and its definition as output of this process (PMBOK page page 378 clause 12.12.3.3) is irrelevant to develop project team process and once again we find a different definition for resource calendars in clause 9.2.3.2 as output from acquire project team process which it makes sense so I believe that there is a mistake in the data flow figure of develop project team process . ;)

Resource calendar .... two different definitions 3 months 2 days ago #8256

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Hi Hazem,

I don't think there is a mistake in the data flow diagram. We need to keep in mind that the resource calendar is not only applied to human resources. Any scarce piece of equipment is also a resource, and you can use a resource calendar to make sure it’s available when your team needs it. The resource calendar has information on which resources—which includes equipment and material, as well as people—are available at specific times. Therefore it is an output of "conduct procurements" because your resources could also include that "scarce piece of equipment" which you procure / buy, if you decide to do so. Hope this helps clear the confusion.
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Resource calendar .... two different definitions 3 months 2 days ago #8257

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We are processing develop project team process so any outcome from conduct procurement is irrelevant and it's clear that it comes as output from acquire project team process as an output .please review my previous comment carefully

Resource calendar .... two different definitions 3 months 2 days ago #8258

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Hazem Ibrahim wrote:
We are processing develop project team process so any outcome from conduct procurement is irrelevant

No. It's relevant in the example I gave wherein we need to procure equipment / resources (from outside the company) which will be included as part of the total resources for the project/project team. That input of procuring resources from outside the firm will be known only via the output of conduct procurement which is "Resource Calendars" because we need to know "The quantity and availability of contracted resources and those dates on which each specific resource or resource group can be active or idle are documented." when we are developing our project team.
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Resource calendar .... two different definitions 3 months 2 days ago #8259

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lets look logically to the matter , if you have resources calendar as an output from two process one related to human resources coming from acquire project team process and the second is related to procurements comes as out put from conduct procurements process and now you are on develop humane project team which output you will refer to?logically for the one coming from acquire project team not the one which is related to procurement process and that what I mean by the error at table 9-10, I'm not saying that using resource calendar is wrong, I'm saying it should come from acquire project team process not conduct procurements

Resource calendar .... two different definitions 3 months 1 day ago #8266

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I agree with Rahul. You have different types of resources, human and others which may be procured equipment or other needed resources which could be from either inside or outside the company. It seems to me that the definition of Develop Project Team (e.g. improved overall project performance ) on page 273 could not be met if the project team is not made aware of the other project resources from Conduct Procurements that are required to successfully carry out the project.

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Resource calendar .... two different definitions 2 months 4 weeks ago #8286

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I agree that the diagram is not wrong. Besides the reason mentioned by them, also human resources can be acquired by procurement, e.g. if you source engineering services from outside the company. And those contracts can influence the resource calendar.

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